DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
SECTION: REMEMBERING THE DEAD
SUBSECTION: TWA800 –– RESEARCH PROJECT
Revised 10/12/00
At this point, the consensus of research is that the TWA800 was brought down by at least 2 RAM missiles and gunfire, that they were fired probably by two separate foreign surface vessels in a NATO exercise and that their firing was probably provoked by a target drone.
The RAM missiles wouldn't impact leaving rocket fuel everywhere but rather would uncoil outside like super high speed barbed wire, ripping and shredding and eventually precipitating an explosion. Not only that, it would be the logical selection for an easy target close to a populated area. So far the wreckage information, the maps, the radar … all are fitting this hypothesis extremely well!
Freeper Sword_Svalbardt will be modifying the description which follows to conform with the new research. But, because the thread became very large, I felt it was necessary to reduce the information so other researchers could see how the effort developed and the reasoning behind each step.
As always, please post your corrections, edits, additions, observations, etc. Thanks to all Freepers and Lurkers!
How the project began, a Lurker looks at TWA800:
Researchers note: Of the above listed ships these are RAM capable - USS Theodore Roosevelt, USS Hayler, and USS Detroit. Possible weapons plans for RAM may include the Ticondaroga class cruisers Leyte Gulf, and Vella Gulf; as well as the Arleigh Burke class destroyer Ramage. This may be a future add on for additional envelope protection from close in air attack. I might also add about the submarines: Montpelier is a San Juan Class SSN 751 which in reality is a modified SSN 688 i flight. Her sail planes have been removed and placed in boots near the bow for retraction for mooring, and under ice surfacing (similar to World War II submarines), since a SSN 688 sail planes do not allow it to perform under ice surfacings while performing Williamson turns utilizing BSY-1 sonar. Also, the SSN 751 class has VLS in the bow for Harpoon and Tomahawk, thereby clearing the torpedo room of encapsulated Harpoons and Tomahawks for a maximum load out of Adcap 48 torpedoes. The USS Atlanta is an SSN 688 class submarine. An additional note for all those under the belief that an American submarine downed the 747- couldn’t happen. There is no room for an anti air suite on any American sub. I would also like to point out an article in the Magazine "Proceedings", which indicated the threat to navy P-3 Orion aircraft from Soviet Submarines in the mid 1980's. Intelligence proved that this was false. The frigates are all gas turbine O.H. Perry class frigates, they are not slated to acquire RAM, since of the 63 that were built, only 10 remain. The various ship yards involved in construction built the Helo decks to various specifications. Similar to the movie Armageddon, "You are riding on one million moving parts put together by the lowest bidder." The last 10 are the only OHP’s rated for the H-60 Sea Hawk helicopter. Aircraft on the carrier Roosevelt include VF-32: F-14, VMFA-312: Marine F-18, VFA-37& VFA-105: Navy F18, VAW-126: E2C Hawk Eyes, VAQ-130: either A-6 Intruders or F-18 Hornets, VS-22:S-3 Vikings, and VQ-6 Navy EA-6B Prowlers (now adopted by the Air Force in lieu of the F-111 Raven).
I acquired this from Ian's website, now let me fill in the holes. The only RAM capable ships due to the latest OrdAlts ………… are:
USS Hayler (DD-997) originally commissioned as the Shah of Iran class cruiser. Two Mk. 26 twin rails fore and aft (prior to OrdAlts), two 5"/54(127mm) Mk 45 gun mounts fore and aft, CIWS - 2 Phalanx 7 barreled 20mm Gatling gun fore and aft port and starboard respectively. After the OrdAlts, she was converted to VLS 61 birds in two separate launcher systems 122 birds total "hot on the rail" (this was to facilitate the advent of Tomahawk into the fleet), RAM was added later (in a single 21 round hex shaped box launcher on one of the stern quarters) since it is a modified Spruance Class (963) hull. ... would pose a serious threat to any surface or air target with nominal anti sub suite. USS Detroit (AOE-4), as a front line logistics ship Auxiliary Oiler Explosives, it would require not only Phalanx, but RAM as well to protect it from air or cruise missile attacks. She has no large guns, possibly 23mm chain gun mounted on main deck port and starboard. Elevation capability for this gun is not conducive for protection from air attack. This ship rarely steams alone considering it’s logistical value. USS Roosevelt (CVN-71) has a full complement of CIWS weapons which include both Phalanx and RAM. I won’t go into detail about Nimitz class Aircraft Carriers. Suffice it to say they are floating cities with 5,00 ships company deployed, and add an air wing with an additional 2,000 crew. They are the ultimate in conventional and special weapons power projection with the capability, not always, to launch 4 and land 2 (this of course is not simultaneously). They are nuclear powered, but carry enough JP-5 for aircraft fuel, and escorts to keep screens facilitated while deployed. It was also indicated that other ships were in the area, i.e. the Tarawa and a Wasp class gator freighter (LHD). Both these ships would carry RAM and Phalanx, and they also carry 5"/54 Mk45 guns fore and aft port and starboard kitty corner to each other. This is to facilitate NGFS (Naval Gun Fire Support) during amphibious operations ibn hostile waters. These ships would be in what the navy would call a PhibGru (Amphibious Group). They have all the equipment and technology in conjunction with their escorts to sustain an amphibious engagement, as well as direct various ships movements in their screen. Okay, I'm blathering, but these are all professional observations. I am still convinced after seeing the pictures of the aircraft after it was reconstructed, that the attack was made by a gun (at least 76mm, 114mm, or 127mm) while the aircraft was ascending 11,000feet to 19,000 feet. There were no scorch marks from missile propellant cooking off in the explosion, if a missile had brought down the aircraft through direct contact with the fuselage. This is what would have happened had a Sea Sparrow (equivalent to the air launched AMRAAM), Sea Dart, Standard SM1 or SM2. What am I saying? Somebody fired a gun while painting the target with either a foreign radar/laser designator, or Mk 86 director (if it were an American ship that fired). Again as I have said before, somebody in gun plot would have seen the IFF/UHF squawk of TWA800, if said squawk were present, and there would have been a whole crew of Gunners Mates (GM) and Fire Control (FC) men in there who would, or could have witnessed the incident. Some research via Janes, or a more competent periodical to determine what the British/Canadian, Dutch, German, and Italian capabilities are. I do know that they do not have the same NTDS capability. We use a system called Link 16. Suffice it to say complete digital data link with satellites, or any other unit on, under, or over the water. This would give a theater commander complete control of other ships weapons capacity. Some things I do know considering positioning of the countries: Germany commands the entrance into and around the Baltic. Most of their weapons systems are rapid response for close in ASW, Anti-aircraft, and anti-ship. They buy a lot of foreign produced delivery systems, but utilize their own electronics. Their sailors are quite competent, and very professional; the Brits and Canadians control the GIUK (Greenland, Iceland, United Kingdom) gap. They produce a lot of their own weapons systems as well as import. Each country runs on a restrictive budget due to powers of the socialist workers parties present who control budgeting of defense. Sound familiar? I won’t ride that horse as of yet; The Dutch, or better yet, the BENELUX nations do what they can with what they have, and can afford. They import quite a bit of delivery systems, and like the Germans’ design the search and tracking systems with the help of American companies; The Italians’ are quite self sufficient, considering their responsibility in the Med, Adriatic, and Ionic. They are the ones who developed OTO systems, which FMC/NSD in the United States has acquired licence to manufacture 127mm and 76mm guns. The Italians also developed the OTO Mat, in my opinion a better weapon than the Exocet, with a higher survivability rate in an EW environment. This was the weapon that went up for sale to the Syrians, Libyans, and Egyptians in the late 1970's during Jimmy Carters’ administration. >>>>>>>> I would like you to see some things to prove a point I have about this whole incident. Firstly, go to www.Shiloh.navy.mil, and bring up the photo gallery. Here you will see a variety of missile launch pictures. Look at the amount of fire and smoke a RIM 67 Block 2C variant emits when it is launched. This is what I mean by looking like Cape Canaveral. To see video, watch some of the file footage about the USS Vincennes. That was the Ticondaroga class cruiser that splashed the Iranian 747 in the Persian Gulf, with all the dead bodies aboard. That is some excellent file footage. I will elucidate about this later in the text. Back to the Shiloh, look at the high speed photo taken of the forward 5"/54 Mk 45 mount. Just forward of the muzzle is the first hint of over pressure from the gun being fired. Examine the little ploom in front of the bore, you will see the projectile traveling at about 4,100 fps. That little critter has a 9-13 nautical mile range when using the Mk 86 Radar system, which now brings me to another website. www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6636/zpics.html, in the area where the photos were contributed by Tony Diller, top row, third photo from the left. You will see two young men working near a radar director mount. Look to the right of the young man in the "higher" position. The white box is a camera. Everyone in gun plot where all the ships weapons systems are operated can see what the radar is looking at, in most cases. It is a low light, not SIT, high resolution camera. What would make this situation different than any other? The day: 17 July, 1996. The time: 2033. What is happening. The sun is low in the sky, and sinking in the west. TWA 800 is coming from the west, moving roughly east. Now remember, I said this was a low light television camera system. Not a SIT or CCD, it is restricted in reducing the amount of excessive available light transmitted through the objective of the optical system by field stops and a diaphragm. If you were to take one apart it would look very simple, unlike a SIT. A SIT, or Standard Image inTensification, is the same you saw, nearly, during the night triple A displays over Baghdad. They only work at night, and if, for example, a Mk 36, MK 37, or CSWS (Crews Served Weapons Sight) Mod 1 or 3 were used, the intensifier tube would "burn out". If a Mod 2 or 4 were used, the photonic sensor would cause the system to shut down from light over load. This system will intensify the light from one star 50,000 times. A CCD (Closed Coupled Device), on the other hand would survive the sun shot, but I am skeptical as to the visual acuity, when looking into the sun of this system. A FLIR (Forward Looking Infra-Red) like the one I helped install on board the USS Callahan(temporarily), would have enabled the crew in gun plot to view the target, and discern any discrepancies. This system is very similar to the Lantrin pods aboard those aircraft who recorded smart bomb hits during the Gulf War. One of our ships would not, could not have done this with a missile, or a gun if they had a FLIR system. On top of that Link 16, the Navy's NTDS system would have used its IFF/UHF (Identify Friend or Foe with Ultra High Frequency) pulse Doppler interrogation from the air search and fire control radars to determine if the target was a threat. If the system were operational. All the BQM drones in use today have the capability to look and maintain the radar frequency of any plane, within reason, hence the Air Forces stepped up use of F-4 drones for targets in excess of Mach 2. The interrogation would in turn place a notation near the radar blip on the operators screen, thereby positively identifying the target. Just wanted to show you some things. I am doing research on the foreign contingent that was present in W-105, can't get you a hull number, but I can get you a nationality and class. [The information gathered on the foreign contingent follows the Hypothesis] Hypothesis:Also the elimination of Ferrat, the initial suspect in the bombing of Ron Brown's plane, a T-43A which is the military version of the Boeing 737 in Bosnia.
Additional information: Scenario: Place: W-105, Activity: ASW / fleet training of Amphibious and screening elements of the US Navy and Elements of NATO primarily - Belgium, Canada, England, Germany, Holland, and Italy. The units were in either of the following situations: 1)A single battle group performing screening operations for a PhibGru. Lead ship would be American aircraft carrier, or more gator possibly the Tarawa, Saipan, or Wasp, with the Flag Officer being SOPA (Senior Officer Present Afloat). Any of the three previously listed ships have the capacity to maintain air control of the area. 2) Two battle groups performing separate tasks, one amphibious, the other ASW. 3) Two opposed Battle groups red and blue. In either of the three scenarios, the Battle groups have restricted air cover - only available E2C Hawkeyes or E3A AWACS. Escort ship’ mission is to perform ASW operations to clear corridor for amphibious ships, and maintain vigil for possible submarine / air launched cruise missiles. The combatants are given specific sectors to watch and maintain control of. Only one unit (most likely an aircraft) would have its radar on. This facilitates more stealth, and does not give away Battle groups position. All unit would have SLQ-32 in operation (ESM/ECM capable passive sensor). Hypothetically, these guys have been under prodigious radar threat and possible cruise missile attack all day. A variety of BQM-35's were probably fired earlier to check envelope threat protection, and give crews experience in live fire exercises. The BQM-35, to my limited knowledge, can be set up electronically to resemble virtually any threat platform. As far as radar cross section, I am uncertain. Combatants would be traveling at rates from very slow (1-5 knots while attempting to prosecute submarine targets) to racing at (18-30+ knots attempting to maintain PIM speed similar to a bounding over watch). If the Beaufort scale were low enough, freeway speeds could be evidenced by some of the American destroyers and cruisers. TWA800 is directed not around, or through a corner, but through the very center of W-105. This standard operations out of JFK international, more sloppiness from a "stressed out" union. Her progress was probably witnessed by Operation Specialists and Electronic Warfare specialists in CIC of any of the JOTDS (Joint Officers Tactical Data System linked to NTDS) capable ships (all American). If so where was the IFF/UHF squawk? This is a code that presents itself onto the radar screen when the target is painted by radar. Without a squawk, she is immediately labeled a threat - HOSTILE. Her approach and flight path are handed off to a combatant in control of that sector with the label hostile. The combatant then emits from its already warmed up radars, and paints the target. No IFF/UHF squawk verification.Now think of the movie "Red Dawn", what did Powers Booth say to Patrick Swayze after Swayze' character asked how did this (invasion of the U.S.) all start? The Russians came in and landed via known transoceanic air routes.
Do you not think the CIA and the NSA have not explored this possibility? Then during some of the Intel briefs, ship / unit commanders probably discussed this possibility, with the theater commander. This method of attack was a probable. All unit commanders were probably briefed. Here comes a possible bogey out of a known transoceanic air lane. What do you do in there shoes?
You are going to be graded on your response. How are you going to react without putting New York, or any other large population center indirect threat from a large weapon like a Sea Dart, Standard RIM 67 SM1, or the SM2 a Block 2 C variant. STAY ON YOUR SHORT LEGS! Save the big stuff for a more threatening posture. This was going to be an easy kill.
Your Radar has been off, he (the threat) doesn't know you are there, all he has is a navigation radar operating, something a threat would need in crowded airspace, and would lend to it looking like a jet liner. It fits, all of it. That plane died in less than 10 seconds after the first round was fired. I think all of this is entirely possible. To save ammunition on possible cruise missile release, the SM2's and SM1's are held for later. The only missile out of range at the 2.9 mile mark is Sea Wolf (British 6 km / 3.1 NM range) actual target range is 22,197 feet (the lineC drawn at 13500 (A) feet at 2.9 NM or 17,620.7 (B) feet - the hypotenuse) TWA 800 is at 37.4573 (37degrees 27 minutes 26.3 seconds), and traveling at about 300 knots (506 fps) Two weapons are used - either a 5"/54 (127mm) or 3"/62 (76mm) and RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile). The sequence works like this: The ship is at General Quarters, no personnel on deck, target is in the sun - no visual recognition. To confirm this, since we are near or on the anniversary of the incident, step outside and look west at 2033 (8:33 PM). Where is the sun? Possible bogey - possible Bear or Badger inbound 300 knots at Angels 13 and climbing. Researchers Note: 1) The ship would have her flank - port or starboard side to the target for more weapon access. 2) The interesting thing about radar cross section is the ability and inability to differentiate targets of the comparative same size. A radar operator can determine type of aircraft by cross section and IFF / UHF transponder code. A 747(E4B), DC-10(KC-10), L10-11, B-52, Tu-20 Bear, Tu-16 Badger, Tu-22 Blinder, Tu-26 Backfire, M-4/ 201, and IL-38 May are all large aircraft. Blinders and Backfires are very fast aircraft with a known attack characteristics The situation is weighed by the CO. Obviously part of the exercise. He would have waited until civilian aircraft are clear, hence the short range. Prior to authorizing weapons free, the Commanding Officer would order a fire solution.The funny thing about a fire solution and a moving target is the thought of firing into empty space. Where you are aiming there is nothing, but when the projectile or missile arrive at the intended location, the target has arrived. So the intent is for the target to fly into the path of the projectile or missile.
A firing solution is enabled.
Authorization to fire is given to the weapons boss by the CO.
Weapons free!
If it were an American Spruance Class destroyer, or Ticondaroga Class Cruiser, using two 5"/54 guns - welcome to hell!
Automatically, two 5" rounds come up from their forty round loaders, and are fused on their respective fusing trays where the proximity round is enabled. This allows a chip with a frequency receiver tuned in the microwave spectrum to be enabled.
Rounds are then chambered, locked, and safeties cleared.
The Weapons Boss gives the order to shoot.
Written specifications indicate a 5"/54 can shoot with a cyclic rate of approximately 35 rounds per minute. In sustained fire, this is taken down to about 20 rounds per minute, or 3 rounds a second for each respective gun. Even though the gun is automatic, the loaders have to be loaded by hand, and crews can get exhausted easily if a lot of rounds are to be punched at one target.
0 point - TWA800 is at 22177.4 feet, or 3.65 NM out traveling at 300 knots or 506.3 fps. First 5" round out from mount one (forward mount). The 5" has a muzzle velocity of 2650 fps, this corrects my previous 4100 fps.
One one thousand - TWA800 is now 506.3 feet closer(21671.1 feet or 3.57 NM out) First RAM round out. RAM travels at two times the speed of sound. At sea level this is 2x760mph or 2565.5 fps. It is a radar beam rider (SM1). As it closes with the target it acquires the targets’ infra red signature with its Stinger head. Then it follows the beam to the target. If the weapon is unable to reach the target, the onboard CPU will plot CPA and the Stinger head will take over guidance. Its range is 12km or 7.5 NM.
Two one thousand - TWA800 is now 21164.8 feet, or 3.48 NM out. Second 5" round out, this time from mount 2 (after mount)
Three one thousand - TWA800 is now 20658.5 feet, or 3.40 NM out. Second RAM round out. A two second separation would be hard to see at a distance.
Four one thousand - TWA800 is now 20152.2 feet, or 3.32 NM out.Five one thousand - TWA800 is now 19645.9 feet, or 3.23 NM out
Six one thousand - TWA800 is now 19135.6 feet, or 3.15 NM out
Seven one thousand - TWA800 is now 18633.3 feet, or 3.07 NM out
Eight one thousand - TWA800 is now 18127.0 feet, or 2.98 NM out. At 8.38 seconds the shipboard fire control computer has already plotted CPA, and sends a microwave carrier to the first shell - Detonate (you didn’t think they were that smart did you?)! 70-140 one inch cubes made of tungsten carbide blast from the shell. To be fair, it is obvious only a certain percentage of the cubes can reach the target due to position in the casing itself and spread, but like an armor piercing round, this proximity shell has a shaped charge. It dispenses the cubes in a longitudinally elliptical shape toward the flight axis of the target.
The tungsten carbide cubes find TWA 800 ripping into the light aluminum skin of the underbelly of the aircraft on the left side just aft of the wing center cross section. After the skin, the very hard cubes (which are spinning rapidly) find the center section stringer construction of the aircraft. This is housed in the longitudinal, and vertical framing of the aircrafts structural framing, and contains, I believe, the bulk of the aircrafts manifolds for the fuel, hydraulics, and lube oil lines that deliver badly needed lube oil for cooling pumps that actuate wing control surfaces using hydraulic fluid, as well as fuel, and lube oil pumps, as well as cutting needed electrical power and data transmission lines. The cubes then tear at the floor beam structure, as well as the front spar fuselage main frame. Then they perforate the main centerline fuel tank, finally entering the passenger compartment.
Inside the cabin: Passengers are amazed, fear and death rip through the fuselage as stray cubes cause holes to appear in the planes skin. A passenger speaking to someone could have been torn to shreds, decapitated, maimed, or watched the same happen to the person next to them or across the aisle way. The flight engineer recognizes a loss in fuel, hydraulic, and lube oil pressure and attempts to check his instruments. The pilot and copilot attempt to maintain control of the aircraft.
Nine one thousand - TWA800 is 17620.7 feet, or 2.89 NM out. 9.49 seconds into its flight the first RAM detonates into the flight path of the seriously wounded 747-400. (If you were there, does this sound about right?). The warhead of RAM is a type of blast fragmentation warhead known as "expanding rod". Simply put, it is the equivalent of very hard barb wire being unreeled and slamming into the target at 2565.5 fps.
Ten one thousand - TWA800 is 17114.4 feet, or 2.82 NM out. At 10.08 seconds the second 5" round detonates at CPA causing more damage to the underbelly of the aircraft, seriously robbing the aircraft of any chance at survivability.
Eleven one thousand - 11.19 seconds, the second RAM detonates at CPA. Sending the deadly expanding rod from the blast fragmentation warhead into the left wing of the now dying 747-400. Sparks from the shearing action cause severely leaking fuel from the central and left wing tanks, which has readily mixed with air to explode violently. The air flow around the now non aerodynamic structure once called an airplane causes the wing to be sheared off at 7700 feet. After the last RAM detonation more damage is created. The plane is not responding to controls. By now the structurally weakened aircraft has lost the fight for its life. The bottom strengthening features are stressed beyond usefulness, or sheared from the wind tearing at the freshly formed holes in the aircraft. Major structural damage now causes severe fatigue. High velocity wind forces the nose section over the back of the aircraft. The "g" load on that section causes the flight crew and passengers to black out, or the impact with the back of the aircraft kills all those on the upper deck, and flight deck area of the 747. TWA 800 is dead and falling rapidly into a watery grave. With such a velocity the plane would dismember itself on impact with the water.
Twelve one thousand
The lucky ones were the ones killed before the plane started to fall. They did not have to endure the hell the remaining passengers went through. This plane was destined to die, they were set up in every way possible. Testing the hypothesis: To discern the angle of attack, the altitude of TWA800 had to be known. That actual information is not available, but transcripts indicate the aircraft was in transition from 11,000 feet. Ian Goddards’ web page indicated radar sightings between 13,000 and 14,000 feet respectively. Taking it upon myself I chose the mean - 13,500. Looking at a triangle, this would be the opposite side, or O. The distance from TWA800 was acquired by statements and radar output data to be 2.9 nautical miles or 17,620.7 feet from the nearest ship, this would be the adjacent side, or A. Now take into account the closure rate of the projectiles and the missiles. They have to be in the aircrafts flight path within hundredths of a second to be effective. Precision is the key. So you can visualize the guns tracking their target and the mounts training in azimuth while the bores adjust in elevation. The RAM launcher would do the same thing. True distance can be determined using either the Pythagorean theorem, or other trig functions, I checked all four, they are close (within .0001 of 1 degree, or 0.36 arc seconds), this would be the hypotenuse.Pythagorean Theorem : A^2+B^2=C^2
Then I performed a parametric formula for ballistic trajectories.
Parametrics is a form of algebra using time as a controlling function f(g) and g(h), and is based on the formula: Rate X Time = Distance. This has to be done in two planes: x & y. x being the horizontal, or range away from the ship, and Y being the vertical, or altitude.
For x I substituted xt, for y I substituted yt. Then I determined initial velocity, or V sub 0 (V0)(V
76mm - 3700 fps note that rate of fire for a 76mm or 3"/62 is 80 rounds per minute so the time line is shorter in that aspect
114mm-2971.8 fps (4.48")
127mm-2650 fps (5"/54)
Then I determined my angle:
S = O/H = .608171116827 or 37.4574
C = A/H = .793807466539 or 37.4572
T = O/A = .766144364299 or 37.4573
If the tangent is used as a zero point, the differences in the sine and cosine are .36 seconds in arc
O = 13,500
A = 17,620.7
H = 22,197.7
XT = (V
0 (cosine theta))t note: theta is the angle in questionT = 1 = x = 2103 feet, y = 1595.7 feet
T = 2 = x = 4207.2 feet, y = 3159.3 feet
T = 3 = x = 6310.8 feet, y = 4690.96 feet
T = 4 = x = 8414.4 feet, y = 6190.6 feet
T = 5 = x = 10517.95 feet, y = 7658.3 feet
T = 6 = x = 12621.6 feet, y = 9093.93 feet
T = 7 = x = 14725.1 feet, y = 10497.6 feet
T = 8 = x = 16828.7 feet, y = 11869.2 feet
T = 8.376 = 17619.7 feet, y = 12376.7 feet
Researchers note: note the y variance in relation to the altitude of TWA800. 13500 - 12376.7 = 1123.3 feet. Using rate X time = distance formula, and algebraically maneuvering the formula to: distance / rate = time. The time it takes for the tungsten carbide cubes to impact is 1123.3 / 2650 = 0.4 seconds. This explains the amount of area damaged in the blast
T = 8.7 = x = 17615.9 feet, y is not a determiner in this weapon (RAM) since it is guided
All missiles with the exception of the British Sea Wolf were in range. Here is a table that will enable you to eliminate possible guesses: Sea Wolf: 6 km or 3.1 NM RAM 12 km or 7.5 NM 76mm 18.5 km or 10 NM 114mm 21.3 km or 11.0 NM 127mm 24.1 km or 13.0 NM Note. The US has come out with, and will be deploying the ERGM (Extended Range General Purpose Munitions) This is some very smart stuff, and will be coming with new bores 5"/62. Existing is 5"/54 or 22.5 foot long bore unbraked, new will be 25.8 foot long bore unbraked. Sea Dart 40 km or 21.6 NM would look like Cape Canaveral during launch, and there is a second stage RIM 67 Block 2C Really look like Cape Canaveral, and everybody and their pet dog would have seen it. This is fire and forget stuff, designed to peg targets way out there with complete data link (link 16 capable) with IFF/UHF interrogation capability for new target reassignment. The navy was dropping scuds like it was nobody's business during the Persian Gulf War, and they are not speaking because of LEAP (light Experimental Antiballistic Missile)- it looks the same. Small stuff was used to facilitate NATO doctrine. IFF/UHF was disabled to make target and weapon tactics discretionary. I can launch one of my missiles in a crowd with one hostile target, and not hit one of ours. Amazing! The amount of damage to the hull, or fuselage of TWA800 resembles that of 5", or 3". Just the same, the numbers add up. The closest ship could most likely be your gun shooter, because the numbers match. The parametric XT can be used to determine time to target any missile from any ship using x. Note: Stinger was not used. That would have resulted in an engine hit! Did not occur. Why a gun, that would have caused the most traumatic amount of catastrophic damage in a short period of time. Sufficient to disable a plane in seconds, and rob it of ALL electronics, and fluidics. This plane was sliced and diced like k-tell slices and dices Julien fries Some more salient points: 1) Why did RAM not lock onto the engines? The processor noted rate of closure and attitude of Infrared emmitance. CPU deducted inability to close on heat source so plotted CPA. 2) Why did damage occur where it did? This is the bulk of the radar cross section of the aircraft! 3) Why the extent of damage? The blast fragmentation cubes are tungsten carbide. A nice Rockwell hardness of at least 35 case hardness, most likely 42 or 45 case hardness. Compared to aluminum, this would be like a hot knife to butter, but the cubes were slowing and spreading like a shotgun blast. Hardened aluminum in the frame of the aircraft would cause redirection of the cubes after shearing, and cause more damage. 4) Other aircraft in the "zone", why not them? The IFF/UHF transponder on the navigation radar of the 747 was disenabled. There were other aircraft in the area, as I have said before, modern equipment is very discretionary.5) 747-400
Range: 8320 miles
380 to 450 passengers
Four GE or Rolls Royce Turbofans
Specs on RR: RB211-524G 56,000 shp each
Maximum take off weight: 875,000 pounds
Center line tank holds 16,990 U.S. gallons
Cabin pressure: 9 psi
Wing span (fully fueled) 213 feet
Length: 231 feet 10 inches
Height: 63 feet 5 inches
Maximum cruise speed: 612 mph
Service ceiling: 45,000 feet
In a February 1970 test, two units were sacrificed for destructive testing. One test was to vertically deflect a wing upward 29 feet. Stress on the wing was at 116.7% snapping the front spar in the main frame. This is 3.75 g’s or 174% of maximum wing load. Could an explosion in the wing tank, with the over pressure the U.S. FAA / NTSB indicated reenact this same test. In fact tests were done after the Lockerbie crash. It took explosives to do the damage our government is suggesting. Hope that tickles your funny bone Kalstrom.
How this would be possible: In addition to the hypothesis, think of this:The Royal Navy was embarrassed with the loss of the HMS Sheffield to an Exocet during the Falkland Island conflict. You will see that they made a major upgrade in missile and CIWS systems. See Royal Navy contingent for more information on this.
The United States was severely embarrassed by the Iraqi’s when they launched two Exocet missiles from Mirage F1's. It was done late at night. Typically, senior personnel with the experience to see the "split" hand this watch over to junior personnel. I heard things like, " well that’s how I learned.", or "You need to get qualified on this watch, a mid watch will help.", or "late for watch again eh? A set of mid watches ought to cure you of that." How many sailors out there have heard that crap before?
Since the Persian Gulf is a very active airway / waterway, the Stark could not have her NTDS system lit off. She would have shot at everything, from Dhows to barges. A crew had to watch the radars closer. This under trained watch did not see the split as the weapons left the aircraft. And since the radar cross section is very small, they could not be tracked. That is why a missile could not be seen on radar. Ram is very small. Two women can easily load the 21 round launcher in minutes.
In contrast, the Ticondaroga Class Cruiser Vincennes was able to track the 747 leaving Bandar-Abbas while it was taxiing from the apron to the runway. The difference between the Stark and the Vincennes is the radar suite. The Vincennes carries SPY-1, the Stark does not. The CO, Captain Rogers, of the Vincennes interrogated all craft that closed within 50 miles. The interrogation included the warning that the Vincennes was steaming while escorting flagged tankers, and had selected a 25 mile safety zone where it would eliminate all who entered.
This would suggest the swift attack upon anything not carrying a IFF / UHF return while in a training area while under going a firing exercise.
On another note, organized crime is at play. Why?
Some guy working for the any of the unions in New York, is under the thumb, or wants a favor from any of the many mob bosses there. He is capable of disabling the aircrafts IFF/UHF transponder. The process is quick and easy without disabling the aircrafts navigation radar. Disabling the radar would have been a flight gripe, and the airplane would have been down. With the transponder disabled, the crew of the aircraft would never know.
Foreign Contingent
Canadian Navy
Torpedo:
Nixie towed acoustic decoy Aircraft: 2 Sea King helicopters Ships' Boats: One Rigid Hull inflatable, speed 30 knots; One Zodiac inflatable The four destroyers of the Iroquois Class were originally commissioned in the early 1970s. At that time they were primarily designed for anti-submarine warfare. However, the entire class has been undergoing an extensive refit program under the Tribal Class Update and Modernization Project (TRUMP). As they rejoin the fleet, they have become command and control ships with a significant area air defense capability. The Iroquois Class ships are powered by gas turbine engines with a maximum speed in excess of 29 knots. Their cruising range is 7250 kilometers at 20 knots. The complement of each ship is 255, including 23 officers, plus 30 aircrew. Each ship in this class is capable of embarking two maritime helicopters. As part of the modernization process, the Iroquois Class received significant improvements to weapons and sensor systems. Installed were vertical launch missile systems, a rapid fire gun and a close-in weapon system, as well as state-of-the-art radar and electronic systems. HMCS Algonquin was the first ship to undergo the changes, and was recently tested as flagship to the Commander of NATO's Standing Naval Force Atlantic in the Adriatic Sea, where the squadron was operating in support of United Nations resolution involving the former Yugoslavia. HMCS Algonquin was recently replaced by HMCS Iroquois. Sorry, no information on radars or ESM/ECM systems…….These ships are a VLS version of the O.H.Perry Class fast frigate. They are rigged primarily for ASW, and Antiair. Predominately used to maintain a clear fisheries waterway for their nations vast fishing fleet. Halifax Class Frigate 330 HMCS HALIFAX 331 HMCS VANCOUVER 332 HMCS VILLE DE QUEBEC 333 HMCS TORONTO 336 HMCS MONTREAL 337 HMCS FREDERICTON 339 HMCS CHARLOTTETOWN 340 HMCS ST. JOHN'S Characteristics Displacement: 4,750 tonnes Dimensions: Length: 134.1 meters (439.9 feet) Beam: 16.4 meters (53.8 feet) Draft: 4.9 meters (16.1 feet) Machinery: 2 General Electric gas turbine main engines, 1 Pielstick diesel cruise engine, 2 shafts, 46,000 shaft horsepower Speed: 30+ knots Complement: 225 officers and non-commissioned members Armament: Missiles: 16 vertically launched Sea Sparrow anti-air missiles, 8 Harpoon anti-ship missiles Torpedoes: Mk 46 MOD5 launched via Twin Mk 32 torpedo tubes or SEA KING helicopter Guns: MK2 Bofors dual purpose 57mm, Phalanx 20mm Close-in weapons system, 6x.50 caliber machine guns Countermeasures: Air: 4x6 barreled Chaff/Infra Red launchers Torpedo: Nixie towed acoustic decoy Aircraft: 1 Sea King helicopter Ship's boats: One Rigid Hull inflatable; speed 30 knots, One Zodiac inflatable At the leading edge of multi-role frigate capability in the world, Halifax-class ships carry a sophisticated array of weapon and sensor systems, including Harpoon long-range surface-to-surface missiles, Sea Sparrow surface-to-air missiles, a 57mm rapid-fire gun, a 20mm close-in defensive gun system, torpedoes, navigational and weapon-control radars, and sonar and electronic warfare systems. The ships make extensive use of Canadian-designed computer technology for integrated propulsion and machinery control, communications and combat systems. Each ship is equipped to operate with one Sea King helicopter. Capable of speeds in excess of 30 nautical miles (55 km) per hour, Halifax-class frigates have a normal operating range up to 11,000 kilometers. Each ship has a crew of 225 (or 195 without helicopter detachment embarked). This is what the Canadians could afford, and for what they bought, they acquired a nice little system. Compare some of the Italian units to these guys. Royal NavyCountermeasures:
2 x Corvus launchers, 1 x Graesby Mk.128 towed decoy Search: 1 x Type 965 AKE-2 air search radar 1 x Type 992Q surface search radar 1 x Type 162 classification sonar 1 x Type 2016 active sonar Fire Control: 2 x Type 909 fire control radar Navigation: 1 x Type 1006 Navigation radar Communication: SCOT SATCOM satellite system ( as available ) Countermeasures: Type 670 ECM, UAA-2 ECM ( as available ) Batches 1 & 2 post-Falklands Gun: 1 x 1 x 114 mm Mk.8 DP2 x 2 x 30mm GCM-A02 AA, replaced by: 2 x 6 x 20mm GE Phalanx CIWS
4 x 1 x 20mm GAM-B01 AA or; 2 x 1 x 20mm GAM-B01 AA with; 2 x 1 x 20 mm Oerlikon AA
Missile: 1 x 2 x Sea Dart GWS 30 SAM
Anti Submarine: 2 x 3 x STWS Mk.2 553mm tubes Mark 46 or ( as available ) Stingray A/S torpedoesAircraft:
1 x Westland Lynx HAS.3 or 8 Countermeasures 2 x 8 x SRBOC CM launchers ( in Cardiff, Birmingham & Glasgow )4 x 6 x Sea Gnat CM launchers ( in others )
1 x Graesby Mk.128 towed decoy Search
1 x Type 1022 air search radar ( as available ) 1 x Type 996 3-D search radar ( as available ) or ; 1 x Type 992Q surface search radar ( in Birmingham ) 1 x Type 162M classification sonar 1 x Type 2016 active sonar or; 1 x Type 2050 active sonar Fire Control: 2 x Type 909 fire control radar Navigation: 1 x Type 1006 navigation radar, replaced by: 1 x Type 1007 navigation radar Communication SCOT SATCOM satellite system Countermeasures Mk.670 ECM ( Batch 1 only ),Mk.675 ECM ( Batch 2 only ) UAA-2 ECM Batch 3 post-Falklands Gun: 1 x 1 x 114 mm Mk.8 DP, 2 x 2 x 30mm GCM-A02 AA, replaced by: 2 x 6 x 20mm GE Phalanx CIWS, 2 x 1 x 20mm GAM-B01 AA, 2 x 1 x 20 mm Oerlikon AA Missile: 1 x 2 x Sea Dart GWS 30 SAM Anti Submarine: 2 x 3 x STWS Mk.2 553mm tubes Mark 46 or ( as available ) Stingray A/S torpedoes Aircraft: 1 x Westland Lynx HAS.3 or 8 Countermeasures: 4 x 6 x Sea Gnat CM launchers 1 x Graesby Mk.128 towed decoyDEC Laser dazzle sights
Search 1 x Type 1022 air search radar 1 x Type 992R surface search radar, replaced by 1 x Type 996 3-D search radar ( as available ) 1 x Type 162M classification sonar 1 x Type 2016 active sonar or; 1 x Type 2050 active sonar ( as available ) 1 x Type 2100 optronic system Fire Control: 2 x Type 909 mod-i fire control radar Navigation: 1 x Type 1006 navigation radar, replaced by: 1 x Type 1007 navigation radar Communication: SCOT SATCOM satellite system Countermeasures: UAA-2 ECM, Mk.675 mod-ii ECM Type 22 Batches 2 & 3 class Frigate Individual Specification Batch 2 Boxer F92 awaiting disposal Beaver F93 stripped and awaiting breaking-up Brave F94 awaiting disposal London ex Bloodhound F95 awaiting disposal Sheffield F96 In service Coventry F98 In service Batch 3 Cornwall F99 In service Cumberland F85 In service Cambeltown F86 In service Chatham F87 In service Type 22, Batch 2 lead-ship F92 HMS Boxer. Note: flared and the much smaller flight deck. Also, Type 910 tracking radar / TV fire control systems for the SeaWolf compared to the Type 911 double radar system of the later ships. Type 22 Batch 2, F95 HMS London. London is the lead-ship of the third sub-group, which have updated fire control and computer systems, and an enlarged flight deck, capable of handling Lynx, SeaKing or Merlin helicopters. Type 22 Batch 3 frigate, F85 HMS Cumberland. Although it shares the hull-form and after superstructure of the Batch 2, the forward superstructure, electronics, armament and propulsion have all been updated. The most noticable change is the addition of the Mark 8 114mm DP gun forward. The forward superstructure now also carries Sea Archer passive IR surveillence domes, RGM-84 Harpoon anti-shipping missiles and a Signaal-GE Goalkeeper 7-barreled 30mm CIWS. The Sea Wolf has been upgraded, a larger hanger is fitted, new single DES DS-30B 30mm cannons replace the older twin Oerlikon / BMARC GCM-A02 guns of similar caliber and updated ECM arrays are carried. These two batches of the Type 22 frigate came from experience of the first batch of Type 22 frigate, and lessons learned from the Falklands campaign. Originally, it had been intended to build seven Type 22 frigates to a common design. Four of these were completed, as Batch 1 Type 22 frigates - the Broadsword class. The Batch 2 frigates draw on experience of the Batch 1 before the Falklands campaign, and are thus not as refined as the Batch 3, which draws on experience from the Falklands. The main fault that was found with the Batch 1 was a lack of size, and a poor rough weather performance. Bear in mind that there was no combat experience before this design was drawn up, so some flaws remained in the design. The second batch was enlarged, mainly around the bows. The original low, blunt bow was changed to a well flared, lengthened design, with much finer ends and a far more rakish and handsome stem. A flared bulwark was added around the bows, to further improve sea keeping. This new design allowed for greater speeds to be reached, more economical steaming, and the bows were much drier than previously. To include the extra space needed for additional equipment, accommodations and growth, 41 feet was added to the length overall, with a larger, raised superstructure. Beam and draft remained unchanged, and thus speed was not adversely affected, and, thanks to the streamlined bows, actually increased. The Batch 2 was built in three sub-groups, Boxer and Beaver formed the first, Brave the second, and London, Sheffield and Coventry the last. Boxer and Beaver had little new technology incorporated into the design, and the replacing of the single 40mm Bofors guns with two, twin 30mm GCM-A02 cannons was the only change in armament. Brave was a step between the two groups, and while she had the hull of the first two, she had improved systems, such as the Type 967M radar instead of combined Type 967/968, Type 911 dual radar instead of Type 910 radar / TV, and a feature unique in the Batch 2, GOGAG instead of COGOG propulsion. Instead of having separate low speed, economical turbines and high speed, rapid acceleration turbines, Brave had a lower power and a medium power set of turbines. Full speed could be reached by running both sets of turbines at once. Since full speed running is much less used in modern tactics ( a more subtle, low speed approach being favored in these days of stealth ), the prospect of lugging around a set of very large, heavy and complex Olympus turbines, and their reduction gearing, which are rarely used is not such a good trade-off as it once was. It is much more economical to trade off a few knots of speed for more low-speed economy and smaller and lighter Spey turbines. By running the Spey and Tyne turbines at once, the 50 000 shp of a pair of Olympus turbines can almost be matched. This power setup was copied in the Batch 3, but the low power turbines were up-rated and the higher power turbines down-rated, so although there is no net loss in maximum power, economy and high speed performance is improved. The last three were not only completed to a large and improved design, but also had a new naming pattern. Instead of the 'B' names of their predecessors, they were named after British cities, as theType 42 are, and the names of the Coventry and Sheffield, lost in the Falklands were perpetuated, along with the County class HMS London. Along with the fire control improvements of the Brave, the last three had an enlarged flight deck and more rakish stem, and were consequently 4.5 m longer. This change was to allow for the operation of the much larger, more powerful and capable Sea King helicopter. This is more adapted to ASW than the ( nevertheless excellent ) Lynx, and can also carry the much more powerful and long ranging Sea Eagle compared to the Lynx's Sea Skua. This said, it is not as fast, sprightly and maneuverable as the Lynx, and only one can be carried. This enlargement also allows the last three Batch 2 to accommodate a Merlin helicopter, although they will not be in service long enough to thoroughly work up with this helicopter. The Type 22's have the largest flight deck / hangar capabilities of all British escorts. As stated before, the Batch 3 design was completed with post-Falklands experience. As such, the main lesson of this campaign was incorporated; the lack of powerful CIWS and light gun AA in British ships, and the lack of a gun in the Type 22 Batch 1 ( and 2 .) Interestingly, to that point, at least large caliber gun had always featured in Royal Navy escort designs, and the Type 22 was the first and only foray into missile-only escorts. Not only does it incorporate the propulsion improvements of the Brave and the enlarged flight deck and improved electronics of the last three Batch 2, but it has the latest armament and sensors. The amidships of the Type 22 Batch 3 was thus considerably modified to accommodate the new 'punch.' The sensible addition of the Mark 8 114 mm gun forward gave a new dimension to the class, and a back-up to the missile armaments. This made the anti-ship missile launchers redundant, and these were moved to amidships in the form of the much superior, more compact and flexible Harpoon. This does not need to be mounted facing forward, like the Exocet, but one launcher fires off either beam. These launchers are sited between the forward and midships superstructures. Above and behind the Harpoon launchers is a very important addition; a GE / Signaal Goalkeeper 30mm 7-barreled CIWS. Fitted with an extremely powerful General Electric 'Gatling' cannon, this weapon is far more effective than the earlier Vulcan-Phalanx, and the latter has been displaced by the former in the most important units in the fleet.
As mentioned before, a new COGOG propulsion package was adopted for more efficient running, and a lighter equipment weight. All round the design, improvements from previous experience and new technology have been incorporated, and without any doubt, the Type 22 Batch 3 frigates are the Royal Navy's most powerful and premier escorts; they are big, fast, well armed in all respects and have powerful active and passive sensors. The Type 22 Batch 2 are currently in the process of paying off, with Boxer, Beaver, Brave and London paid off and laid up awaiting disposals ( probably scrapping, except London which may join HMS Belfast as a museum ship in the Pool of London ). Coventry will pay off in 2001 and Sheffield soon afterwards. With them, the Exocet missile, once in widespread use onboard RN escorts, will too leave the service. Dimensions & Displacements Batch 2 Batch 3 Empty displacement 3 500 tonnes 4 200 tonnes, Full displacement 4 800 tonnes 4 900 tonnes, Length 143.6 m ( Brave, Boxer, Beaver ), 148.1 m ( others ) 148.1 m, Beam 14.8 m 14.8 m, Draft 6.0 m 6.4 m Performance & Propulsion Range 4 500 NM @ 18 knots cruise Speed 30 knots max ( 28 knots in Brave ), 18 knots cruise Propulsion Batch 2 COGOG, 2 x RR Olympus TM3B @ 50 000 shp or 2 x RR Tyne RM1C @ 9 900 shp, Brave COGAG, 2 x RR Spey SM1C @ 37 450 shp & 2 x RR Tyne RM1C @ 9 900 shp, Batch 3 COGAG, 2 x RR Spey SM1A @ 29 500 shp & 2 x RR Tyne RM3C @ 10 680 shp Armament, Electronics & Complement Complement Batch 2 30 officers & 243 ratings Batch 3 31 officers & 219 ratings Armament Electronics Batch 2 Gun: 2 x 2 x 30 mm Oerlikon/BMARC GCM-A02 AA Missile: 2 x 6 x Sea Wolf GWS 25 mod-0 surface-air missiles or; 2 x 6 x Sea Wolf GWS 25 mod-iv surface-air missiles, 4 x 1 x Exocet MM.38 anti-ship missiles Anti-submarine: 2 x 3 STWS Mark 2 torpedo tubes Stingray torpedoes Aircraft: 1 or 2 x Lynx HAS.3/8 ( Brave, Boxer & Beaver ) or; 1 x Sea King HAS.6 ( others ) Countermeasures 2 x Plessey Shield launchers, 4 x GEC Marconi Sea Gnat launchers, DEC laser dazzle sights, 1 x Graesby Type 128 towed decoy Search: 1 x Type 967/968 search radar or; 1 x Type 967M search radar ( Brave ), 1 x Type 2016 active sonar 1 x Type 2031Z passive towed array sonar Fire Control: 2 x Type 910 fire control radars ( Boxer & Beaver ) or; 2 x Type 911 fire control radars ( others ) Navigation: 1 x Type 1006 navigation radar or; 1 x Type 1007 navigation radar ( as available ) Communication: Marisat SATCOM satellite system Countermeasures: Type 670 ECM, Type UAA-2 ECM Batch 3 Gun: 1 x 1 x 114 mm Mark 8 DP, 2 x 1 x 30 mm DES DS-30B AA, 1 x 7 x 30 mm GE/Signaalapparaten Goalkeeper CIWS Missile: 2 x 6 x Sea Wolf GWS 25 mod-iii surface-air missiles 2 x 4 x Harpoon IC RGM-84 anti-ship missiles Anti-submarine: 2 x 3 STWS Mark 2 torpedo tubes Stingray torpedoes Aircraft: 1 or 2 x Lynx HAS.3/8 or; 1 x Sea King HAS.6 Countermeasures: 4 x GEC Marconi Sea Gnat launchersDEC laser dazzle sights,
1 x Graesby Type 128 towed decoySearch:
1 x Type 967/968 search radar, 1 x Type 2016 active sonar or; 1 x Type 2050 active sonar ( as available ), 1 x Type 2031Z passive towed array sonar Sea Archer Mark 20 passive IR surveillance Fire Control: 2 x Type 911 fire control radars Navigation: 1 x Type 1006 navigation radar or; 1 x Type 1007 navigation radar ( as available ) Communication: SCOT 1D SATCOM satellite system Countermeasures: Type 675 ECM, UAF-1 Cutlass ECM Type 23 Duke class Frigate Norfolk F230 Argyll F231 Lancaster F229 ex F232 * (232 means grounded ship) Marlborough F233 Iron Duke F234 Monmouth F235 Montrose F236 Westminster F237 Northumberland F238 Richmond F239 Somerset F82 Grafton F80 Sutherland F81 Kent F78 Portland F79 St. Albans F83 Changed to 229 because 232 is an unlucky number : 232 is Royal Navy code for a grounded ship... Type 23 Duke class frigate HMS Norfolk. Norfolk was the lead ship for this extremely successful class, and pioneered the new systems of the class; VL Sea wolf, the Merlin helicopter, the Type 996 3-D search radar, fixed Cray-Marine torpedo tubes and the Type 2031Z towed-array passive and Type 2050 hull-mounted active sonars. Notice the rakish lines, and the 7.5E° angle to all vertical surfaces. This reflects radar energy either upwards and away or down into the sea, where feedback from the clutter of the surfaces makes it unintelligible. On all but the most sophisticated and powerful radar sets, the Type 23 appears to be a small fishing-boat sized vessel. The horn like structures at the masthead are reflectors for the ECM / SIGINT outfit In the early 1980's, before the Falklands, the Royal Navy's frigate force was a motley collection of old units armed with 4.5" guns, Sea Cat missiles and A/S mortars, upgraded "Leander" class ships with Exocet or Ikara missiles added, the more modern but quite simple Type 21 "Amazon" class and the ( then ) ultra-modern Type 22 batch 1 "Broadsword." The Broadsword was the only type armed with a modern missile - the Sea Wolf - and also carried the Exocet, a Lynx helicopter, torpedo tubes and two 40mm AA guns. Post Falklands evaluations showed the need for a rapid-reaction missile, and the existing Sea Wolf was perfect. It was envisaged that a further 22 Type 22 frigates would be built, to allow for 26, and that the Type 42, Type 21 and "Invincible" class would be refitted with Sea Wolf. However, as the post Falklands outcry died down, none of these projects survived, although a respectable 15 Type 22 frigates were completed, the last 11 to much improved designs. Type 23 was originally envisaged as a cut-price unit of 23 ships, to replace the ageing "Leander" and "Rothesay" classes and to make up the numbers of canceled Type 22 units, they were intended for North Sea deployment as escorts to Type 22 units, or in small groups to hunt Soviet submarines 'leaking' out of the Baltic. As envisaged, they were to have been armed with a vertical launch ( VL ) Sea Wolf system for self defense, the Mark 8 gun for dual-purpose roles, Stingray torpedoes and the ( then ) WG34 helicopter for A/S work and either Exocet or Harpoon missiles for anti-ship work. Although these weapon systems survived in the final design, they were linked to hugely advanced and expensive sensors and computer and control systems, and the hull and propulsion package were designed for true 21st century operation. The emerging design was an extremely expensive ( c. ££160 million per unit ), advanced but useful design. Following the Falklands war, close defense was a priority, and with the VL Sea Wolf linked to the Type 996 3-D radar, two 30mm DES guns and four sets of Sea Gnat countermeasures launchers, the Type 23 frigate is a hard target to tackle. Not only is it well armed and defended, but it has a very small radar signature, thanks to a 7.5 degree angle and subtle curves to vertical surfaces. This gives a Type 23 frigate the signature of a fishing-boat sized vessel. Not only is it hard to detect by radar, but special caps on the funnels incorporate advanced cooling mechanisms to greatly reduce the heat ( IR ) emissions from the engines. The propulsion system itself is also hugely advanced. For the first time, a CODLAG installation ( COmbined Diesel eLectric And Gas turbine ) is used. The diesels are used for a new type of tactic, a low speed 'stalk' or a nuclear submarine, as opposed to the traditional use of the lower-powered engines as cruising engines. The 'stalk' technique requires the Type 23 to move slowly and almost silently, using it's towed array sonar to full effect. Although nuclear submarines can travel at around 35 knots, when they do so they are hugely noisy, and they too spend most of their time in ultra-quiet stalking modes. The diesel engines function as generators, powering silent running electric motors. These diesels are mounted above the surface on shock-proof mounts for quiet running, and the two innermost engines are double-hooded and acoustically silenced for near-silent running. These pair are used when the ship is required to move extremely slowly and silently. the use of Diesel-electric transmission means that there are no noisy, heavy, expensive and complex reduction or reversing gears, and that the electric motors can be mounted on very short shafts for minimal noise generation. The screws themselves are extremely well designed for efficient operation, and have special holes cut in them to allow for very little 'churning' of the water. The Rolls Royce Marine Spey gas turbines are only used in the final moments of submarine attack, when both units know that the other is present, active sonars are switched on and a 'kill' is imminent. They allow for extremely rapid acceleration to 28 knots, but the silent 'stealth' is instantly broken and they are only used when really needed. As for weaponry, compared to similar sized foreign vessels, the Type 23 are very heavily armed. the armament is located at the extremes of the vessel, with the Mark 8 gun, Harpoon missiles and VL Sea Wolf 32 cell launcher immediately in front of the bridge, and the Cray-Marine torpedo tubes for Stingray torpedoes built into the Hangar ( for the Merlin or Lynx aft. ) The helicopter is an extremely important part of the armory, and a very large flight deck and hangar is an important part of the design. The VL Sea Wolf and Cray-Marine torpedo tubes have the advantage over traditional training launchers that firstly reaction times are reduced, there is no need to train before firing and secondly, reloading can rapidly be effected from the safety of the magazine. Two DES 30mm guns provide close in cover, although sometime in the future, a CIWS such as Shorts Sea Streak missiles may be fitted in lieu. Sensors for the Type 23 are a mix of very advanced active and passive systems; Active systems are the Type 996 3-D multi-mode search radar, the Type 911 fire control radars and the Type 2050 bow-mounted active sonar. The passive systems are the wide-spectrum TV cameras bore sighted with the Type 911 radars, the Sea Archer Mark 20 passive tracking / search system ( which can be used to control the Mark 8 gun ) and the Type 2031Z towed array passive sonar. This allows for almost full operation of all weapons with no active sensors switched on. Originally envisaged as a class of 23 ships, the last seven were never ordered. And although the class were ordered and built in groups, all batches of the class were built to the same or very similar specifications, with some ECM upgrades in later units. Except for HMS Iron Duke, all of this class are named after Dukedoms, and although these names have come under some criticism for being 'soft' and uninspiring, they are actually far from soft in terms of historical events and figures of importance. Originally all ships of the class were to have been based at Devonport, but this did not happen and HMS' Grafton, Iron Duke, Lancaster, Marlborough, Richmond, Westminster form the 4th Frigate squadron based in Portsmouth, Argyll, Monmouth, Montrose, Norfolk, Northumberland, Somerset, and Sutherland forming the 6th Frigate squadron, Devonport. Westminster starred in the James bong film ' Tomorrow Never Dies,' when she played HMS' Bedford, Chester and Devonshire, fictionally armed with RGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles. Dimensions: Empty Displacement 3500 tonnes, Full Displacement 4200 tonnes, Length 133 m, Beam 16.1 m Draft 7.3 m Performance & Propulsion Range 9 000 NM @ 15 knots, Propulsion CODLAG; 2 x Rolls Royce Marine Spey SM1A gas turbines @ 37 540 shp 4 x Paxman Valenta RPA 200 CZ 12cyl. 'vee' diesel generators @ 8 100 bhp / 5 220 kW, 2 x GEC Electric motors @ 4 000 shp, Speed 28 kts on gas-turbines 10 kts on diesel-electric 'stalk' Armament, Electronics & Complement Complement 17 officers, 57 petty officers & 111 ratings Armament Gun: 1 x 1 x 114 mm L/55 Vickers Mark 8 main gun, 2 x 1 x 30 mm L/75 Oerlikon / BMARC DES DS-30B AA Missile: 1 x 32 tube BAe Sea Wolf GWS 26 mod i. VLS surface-air missile2 x 4 x MD / Boeing Harpoon RGM-84 anti-ship missiles
Torpedo: 4 x Cray Marine fixed 324mm tubes for GEC-Marconi Stingray anti-submarine torpedoes Aircraft: 1 or 2 x Westland Lynx HAS.3 or; 1 x EHI Merlin HAS.1 ( as available ) Countermeasures: DEC laser dazzle sights4 x 6 x GEC-Marconi 130mm 6-barreled Sea Gnat CM launchers
1 x Graesby Mk.128 towed decoy Electronics
Search: 1 x Siemens / Plessey Type 966 3-D search radar 1 x Ferranti / Thomson / Sintra Type 2050 active sonar 1 x Dowty Type 2031Z passive towed array sonarSea Archer Mark 20 passive IR surveillance
Fire Control: 2 x Marconi Type 911 GWS 26 fire control radars Navigation: 1 x Kelvin Hughes Type 1007 navigation radars Communication: SCOT 1D SATCOM satellite system Countermeasures: Type 675 UAA-2 jammer ECMScorpion ECM ( on some units )
UAF-Cutlass or UAT passive SIGINT
Italian NavyAN/SLQ 25 Nixie towed torpedo decoy
SLQ-732 integrated receiver/jammer system
SwRI Sea Eagle D/F with AS-505 antenna
2 Breda SCLAR 105mm decoy launchers
US Prairie Masker noise masking system
Sonars Raytheon DE 1160 LF, bow mounted.
Crew compliment: Usual 825, 550 crew, 230 air group, 45 flag staff, Troops 500 troops w/2 personnel transport launches. C.550 Vittorio Veneto Castellammare now operates as a Command ship Dimensions: Length(O/A) 589' (179.5m), Flight Deck Length 131.0' (40m), Flight Deck Width 61.0'(18.6m), Beam 63.6' (19.4m), Draft 19.7' (6m), Full Load 9,500 tons, Standard 7,700 tons. Propulsion: Boilers 4, Ansaldo Turbines 2 geared steam, Horsepower 73,000 shp, Shafts 2, Endurance 5,000 NM @ 17 kts, Max Speed 32 kts. Armor: Side Belt 4" Armament:Main Battery 8 x OTO Melara 3" (76mm)/62 cal. MMK in 2 quad turrets 1 forward 1 aft (researchers note- one bad motha'- would not want to get in front of it- very accurate w/15.5' barrel length)
AAW 6 x OTO Breda 40mm/70 cal. in 3 twin mounts (installed 1983-84)
4 x 13mm, SAM 1 x Terrier w/60 missiles replaced in 1983-84 by 1 x Aster twin Mk 10 Mod 9 launcher (3 rotary drums) w/ 40 GDC Pomona Standard SM-1ER missiles
SSM 4 x OTOMAT
ASW 1 x Honeywell ASROC launcher w/20 missiles
Torpedoes 6 x 12.75" Countermeasures: Air 2 SCLAR decoy, Torpedo SLQ-25 Nixie towedESM/ECM: UAA-1 intercept SLQ-2 B/C jammers
Radars:Air Search Hughes SPS 52C ,3D Selenia SPS 768 (RAN 3L) early warning,
Surface Search SMA SPS 702, Navigation SMA SPS 748, Fire Control 4 Selenia SPG 70 (RTN 10X) Argo, 2 Selenia SPG 74 (RTN 20X) Dardo, 2 Sperry/RCA SPG 55C (Standard), Sonars Sangamo SQS 23G bow-mounted. Aircraft: Helicopters 6-9 AB 212 ASW or 4-6 Sea Kings above decks Complement: Usual 550-650 D.560 Luigi Durand de la Penne D.561 Fransesco Mimbelli Dimensions Length(O/A):484.5' (147.7m), Beam: 52.8' (16.1m), Draft: 16.5' (5.1m). Displacement Full Load: 5,400 tons, Standard: 4,500 tons Propulsion Turbines: CODOG 2 x GE/Fiat LM 2500 gas turbines Diesels:2 x Motori GMT BL 230-20 DVM Horsepower: 55,000 shp (2 x 27,500) (gas turbines), 12,600 bhp (2 x 6,300 bhp) (diesels) Shafts: 2 Endurance: 7,000 NM @ 18 kts, Max Speed: 31.5 kts, 21 kts (diesels). Armament Main Gun: 1 x OTO Melara 5"(127mm)/54 cal., Secondary Gun: 3 x OTO Melara 3"(76mm)/62 cal. Super RapidLight A/A: 4 HMG
SAM: 1 x Mk 13 Mod 4 launcher w/40 GDC Pomona Standard SM-1MR missiles
1 x Selenia Albatross Mk 2 octuple launcher for Aspide SAM
SSM: 8 OTO Melara/Matra Teseo Mk 2 in four twin mounts
Torpedoes: 6 x B-515 12.75" (324mm) in two triple mounts w/Mk 46/A-244/MU-90 torpedoes. Radars:Air Search: Hughes SPS 52C,3D long-range air search ,E-band Selenia SPS 768 (RAN 3L) long range air early warning ,D-band
Surface Search: SPS-702 surface search/frequency-agile sea-skimmer detector
Navigation: SMA SPN 703 (3 RM 20), SMA SPN-748 Fire Control: SPS-774 (RAN-10S) air/surface search ,E/F-band for Albatros Mk 2 4 Selenia SPG 775 (RTN-30X) Argo gun/missile control, 2 Raytheon SPG 51D for SM-1MR Combat System: IPN-20 (SADOC-2) combat data/weapons control system SYS-1(V)2 sensor data fusion system SATCOM satellite communications system with Link 11 and Link 14 –– Researchers note: Americans use Link 16 on major combatants. Some reserve units will have Link 11Sonars: Raytheon DE-1167 LF hull-mounted DE-1167 LF integrated VDS
Countermeasures Air: 2 CSEE Sagaie launchers Torpedo: SLQ-25 Nixie towed torpedo decoy system, US Prairie/Masker (Elmer)ESM/ECM: SLQ-732 Nettuno integrated intercept SLC-705 jammers COMINT intercept
Aircraft Helicopters: 2x AB-212 ASW helicopters (EH-101 and SH-3D helicopter capable) w/hangar Complement Usual: 377 (32 officers and 345 enlisted, with accommodation for a total of 400) Audace Class Multipurpose Guided Missile Destroyers D.550 Ardito, 1st Naval Division, to DECOM ./2005 D.551 Audace, 1st Naval Division, to DECOM ./2006 Dimensions Length(O/A):461.6' (140.7m), Beam: 48' (14.65m), Draft: 15' (4.6m) Displacement Full Load: 4,554 tons, Standard: 3,950 tons Propulsion Boilers: 4 x Foster-Wheeler (43 kg/cm2; 450-deg C) Turbines: 2 geared steam, Horsepower: 73,000 shp Shafts: 2, Endurance: 4,000 NM @ 25 kts, Max Speed: 34 kts. Armament Main Gun: 2 x OTO Breda 5"(127mm) /54 cal. in two single mounts forward, aft 1 removed in late 1980s replaced by Aspide launcher, Secondary Gun:3 x OTO Melara 3"(76mm)/62 cal. Compact plus
1 x 3"(76mm)/62 cal. Super Rapid (Ardito)
4 x 3"(76mm)/62 cal. Super Rapid (Audace)
Light A/A 4 HMG
SAM:
1 x Mk 13 Mod 4 launcher w/40 GDC Pomona Standard SM-1MR missiles
1 x Selenia Albatross Mk 2 octuple launcher for Aspide SAM
SSM: 8 OTO Melara/Matra Teseo Mk 2 in four twin mounts
Torpedoes 4 x 21" tubes for A-184 torpedoes, 6 ILAS-3 tubes for Mk 46 torpedoes replaced by 6 x Mk 32 12.75" (324mm) in 2 triple tubes w/Honeywell Mk 46/Whitehead A-244 torpedoes Radars Air Search: Hughes SPS 52C,3D long-range air search ,E-band, Selenia SPS-768(V)3 (RAN-3L) long range air early warning ,D-bandSurface Search RAN-20S replaced by Selenia SPS 768 (RAN 3L)
Navigation SMA SPN-748 SPQ-2D surface search/navigation
Combat System IPN-20 (SADOC-2) combat data/weapons control system Link 11 and 14 SATCOM
Fire Control SPS-774 (RAN-10S) air/surface search ,E/F-band for Albatros system (Aspide SAM), 3 Selenia SPG-75 (RTN-30X) fire control for missile/gun, 2 Raytheon SPG 51C fire control for SM-1MR, 3x Dardo-E (NA-30) radar/electro-optical fire control system, IR-cameras and laser rangefinders Sonars CWE-610A MF hull-mounted Countermeasures Air 2 Breda 105mm SCLAR launchers w/20 countermeasures Torpedo SLQ-25 Nixie towed decoyESM/ECM:
SLR-4 intercept
3x SLQ-B jammers
2x SLQ-C jammers
Aircraft Helicopters 2 AB 212 ASW w/ hangar Complement Usual:380 (30 officers, 350 enlisted) This is a pretty nice ship, quite fast for a steam turbine with okay endurance. Only draw back I see in this class is the SM1 missile system - your radars have to be illuminating the target all the time when engaging a target, whereas the American SM2 is fire and forget. Impavido Class Destroyers D 570 Impavido D 571 Intrepido Dimensions Length(O/A) 431', Beam 45.8', Draft 14.1' Displacement Full Load 3,990 tons, Standard 3,200 tons Propulsion Boilers 4, Turbines 2 Tosi geared steam Range: unknown, Horsepower:70,000, Shafts 2, Max Speed 33.5 kts Armament Main Gun 1 x 5"/38 cal. Mk 13 in one twin turret forward, Secondary Gun:4 x OTO Melara 3"/62 cal. Compact
Light A/A 4 HMG
SAM 1 x Mk 13 Mod 4 launcher w/ 40 Tarta replaced by w/40 GDC Pomona Standard SM-1MR missiles
Torpedoes 6 ILAS-3 tubes for Mk 44/46 torpedoes
Radars:
Air Search: Hughes SPS 52B,
Surface Search: SPS-12 Navigation: unknown, Fire Control: 3 Selenia SPG 70 (RTN 10X) Argo gun/missile control: 2 Raytheon SPG 51B for SM-1MR Sonars: SQS 23Decoys:
Air: unknown
Torpedo: SLQ-25 Nixie towed decoy
ESM/ECM:
SLQ-732, intercept SLQ-2 B/C jammers
Aircraft Helicopters: 1 AB 212 ASW no hangar or refueling capability Complement: Usual 334 This is a very old ship, even by Italian standards. Most likely used as a reserve trainer, if it isn't stricken. This ship is probably on its way to the scrap yard. Soldati (Artigliere) Class Patrol Frigates 'Modified Lupo type' F.582 Artigliere Fincantieri Ancona shipyard Mar./82 F.583 Aviere Fincantieri Ancona shipyard Sep./82 F.584 Bersagliere Fincantieri Ancona shipyard Apr./83 F.585 Granatiere C.N.R. Riva Trigoso shipyard Mar./84 Dimensions Length(O/A) 371.4' (113.2m), Beam 37.1' (11.93m), Draft 12.6' (3.84m) Displacement Full Load 2,525 tons, Standard 2,208 tons Propulsion Power plant 2 GE/Fiat LM-2500 gas turbines, 2 GMT A230-20M diesels, Horsepower 2 x 25,000 shp (turbines) 7,900 bhp (diesel), Electric 4 x 780 kW GMT diesels, Shafts 2 w/ CP props, Endurance 5,300 NM @ 16 kts 3,450 NM @ 20 kts, 900 NM @ 35 kts, Max Speed 35 kts (turbines), 20.5 kts (diesels) Armament Main:1 x 5" (127mm)/54 cal. OTOBreda in one single mount forward
AAW 4 x 40mm/70 cal OTOBreda Dardo compact in two twin mounts
4 x HMG
20mm Oerlikon can be fitted
SAM: 1 x Albatros octuple launcher w/ Aspide missiles
SSM: 8 OTOMAT Teseo Mk 2 (TG2)in four twin mounts
Torpedoes 6 x 12.75" (324mm) Mk 32 w/Honeywell Mk 46 torpedoes Countermeasures:Air: 2 Breda 105mm SCLAR launchers (2x20)
Torpedo: SLQ-25 Nixie towed decoy
ESM/ECM: SLQ-747 (INS-3M) integrated suite
Radars:
Air/Surface Search: 1 Selenia SPS-774 (RAN 10S) E/F band
Surface Search/Target Indication: SMA SPS-712 (RAN-12L/X) for CIWS
Navigation: SMA SPN-703,
Combat Data Systems IPN-10 (mini-SADOC)Link 11 SATCOM Fire Control 2 Selenia SPG-70 (RTN 10X) Albatros/main gun 2 Selenia SPG-74 (RTN 20X) Argo 40mm control Sonars Raytheon DE 1160B, hull mounted removed when taken over Aircraft Helicopters 1 AB-212 ASW w/ hangar Complement: Usual 187 total, 17 officers, 170 enlisted These ships are comparable to the Oliver Hazard Perry class Fast Frigate the navy operates, but is poorly set up in NTDS (Combat communications w/Link 11), and not enough redundant jammers or radars for Electronic Warfare survivability. Maestrale Class Frigates 'Improved Lupo type' F.570 Maestrale C.N.R. F.571 Grecale C.N.R. F.572 Libeccio C.N.R. F.573 Scirocco C.N.R. F.574 Aliseo C.N.R. F.575 Euro C.N.R. F.576 Espero C.N.R. F.577 Zeffiro C.N.R. Dimensions Length(O/A) 402.7' (122.73m), Beam 42.25'(12.88m), Draft 13.8' (4.2m) 19.5' (5.95m) maximum Displacement Full Load 3,200 tons, Standard 2,800 tons Propulsion Power plant CODOG 2 GE/Fiat LM-2500 gas turbines, 2 GMT BL230-20DVM diesels, Horsepower 2 x 25,000 shp (gas turbines), 2 x 5,073 bhp (diesels), Electric 4 x 780Kw diesels, Shafts 2w/ CP props, Endurance 6,000 NM @ 15 Kts, 3,800 NM @ 20 Kts, 1,500 NM @ 30 Kts, Max Speed 33 Kts (gas), 21 Kts (diesels) Armament Main:1 x 5" (127mm)/54 cal OTO Breda in one single mount forward
AAW 4 x 40mm/70 cal OTOBreda Dardo compact in two twin mounts
4 HMG
2 x 20mm Oerlikon can be fitted
SAM: 1 x Selenia Albatross octuple launcher w/24 Aspide missiles
SSM: 4 OTOMAT Teseo Mk 2 (TG2)
Torpedoes 6 x Mk 32 12.75" (324mm) ILAS-3 tubes w/Honeywell Mk 46/A-244/MU-90 torpedoes, 2 x 21" (533mm) B516 tubes in transom, w/Whitehead A184 Mod 3 torpedoes
Countermeasures: Air: 2 Breda 105mm SCLAR launchers (2x20)Torpedo: SLQ-25 Nixie towed decoy, US Prairie Masker air-blowing noise suppression system ESM/ECM: SLR-4 Newton intercept with CO-NEWS communications intercept, 2x SLQ-D jammers Radars:
Air/Surface Search: 1 Selenia SPS-774 (RAN 10S) E/F band
Surface Search: 1 SMA SPS-702
Navigation: 1 SMA